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Dec. 8th, 2010 | 08:57 am

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange refused bail

Gemma Lindfield, for the Swedish authorities, gave details of the allegations against Mr Assange.

The charges
Used his body weight to hold down Miss A in a sexual manner.
Had unprotected sex with Miss A when she had insisted on him using a condom.
Molested Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
Had unprotected sex with Miss W while she was asleep.


Look. I don't want this to slip into a case of mud-slinging and such. But without any actual testimony and/or evidence I'm calling bullshit.

Not politically motivated my ass.

WikiLeaks' Julian Assange faces sex charges over one night stands. This article clarifies the nature of the criminal case. And once again I call bullshit on the no political motivation.

Look, I personally think Assange is a bit of a douche. He is the type of guy that I find irritating because he is such a fricking arrogant ass, and honestly wikileaks seem like an exercise in self-involvement on his part because he had an axe to grind. However, no matter what I think of him personally, I believe in the necessity of wikileaks.

There is a reason that dad and I have arguments about politics of the "free world", it is because we can, loudly and irrationally. It is because at the end of the day we believe in freedom of speech, the ideals of democracy (even if the actualities of it are a bit of a shit). The point is, you don't have to like the guy personally, but you must, at the very least, care about the ideals of freedom in an imperfect democratic world.

So, make your unhappiness explicit.

ETA: HAHAHA! Oh gods, I SPELLED his name wrong in the subject heading, and NO one picked up on it, or you know, you guys are too polite to tell me.

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kali

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from: supplanter
date: Dec. 8th, 2010 01:06 am (UTC)
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All I know about this guy I know from his wiki page, but, seriously?  Wanted by Interpol for unauthorized unprotected sex?  Seriously?  This is what Interpol is for?

(OK, obviously they just want to give him a hard time but this is what they're pretending it's for and uhhhhhh.)

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witty, somehow

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from: naanima
date: Dec. 8th, 2010 10:58 am (UTC)
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It is all so very convenient.

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manic intent

government should fear the people!

from: manic_intent
date: Dec. 8th, 2010 06:06 am (UTC)
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I'm proudly a feminist, of the armchair, equal rights vanilla variety, so I admit upfront that in any rape or sexual assault matter I personally instinctively support the victim's story. Rape trials are a massive personal trial for victims and they end up attacked at cross examination and often torn to pieces emotionally by competent counsel. Also, even if sex starts of consensual, if one party suddenly wants to stop halfway, the other must stop, or it is rape.

That aside, I think the Swedish arrest thing is... convenient. It reminds me of the Anwar sodomy accusations in Malaysia which seem to sprout whenever he gets close to entering the elections. Sex crime accusations are a good way of mudslinging a person's character.

Also, it seems that the two girls only came forward to the police once they realized that Assange was seeing the both of them at the same time. It looks politically and personally motivated to me. Using Interpol was also a calculated move, to make him appear more of a criminal than he is. Once the warrant was legal (which it only was this week), he turned himself in.

Whether he's guilty or not (and tbh, innocent until proven guilty, people), it's a red herring. There's nothing else they can charge him with. The painfully fast Swedish warrant makes that sadly obvious. Wikileaks hasn't broken laws by publishing the cables.

Wikileaks didn't steal the cables in the first place, and they weren't the only source that were given the cables (some newspapers got them too, and I note they've been conveniently left out of the story). Wikileaks is just the easiest scapegoat because they're an internet entity, Assange is an easy scapegoat because his own country is either more interested in the cricket than his well being or sacrificed in favor of better diplomatic ties with the US of A.

I think wikileaks is necessary, if only because it gives a clear indication of how the USA is trying to push out Guantanemo detainees by offering money. Those people deserve trial. Pushing them to third world countries speaks of fear.

And the funniest thing is so much prosecution is from a democratic country that has a constitutionalised free speech. tch.

if you're in Melbourne, the Law Institute of Victoria is holding a free to enter talk tomorrow chaired by a QC about Assange. Let me know if you want to go. I'll still be working at the time of the talk (530pm) but if you get stuck outside I can get a friend to card you in.

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witty, somehow

Re: government should fear the people!

from: naanima
date: Dec. 8th, 2010 11:03 am (UTC)
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I'm with you in regards to rape. My first response is to listen to the victims, to make sure that they are OK, to make it explicitly clear that it isn't their fault. It is never their fault.

Having said that, the timing is, hmm, truly auspicious.

Your whole response is very well thought out and pretty much what I'm thinking.

Unfortunately I don't live on the east coast. I'm (this is kind of embarrassing) living in WA. You know, the only state that doesn't have late night shopping, the only state that is trying to stand in the way of the R rating for games. We are a fucking awesome state (all sarcasm meant).

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Vel'ithya Tevriel

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from: velithya
date: Dec. 8th, 2010 12:21 pm (UTC)
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Actually it's Adelaide's GG that was standing in the way of R-rated games, last I heard!

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witty, somehow

Re: government should fear the people!

from: naanima
date: Dec. 9th, 2010 09:20 pm (UTC)
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Oh good. For once the rest of Australia can't blame us for this!

Also, HIYAS STRANGER! How have you been?

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Vel'ithya Tevriel

Re: government should fear the people!

from: velithya
date: Dec. 10th, 2010 06:17 am (UTC)
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Yeah but that guy stepped down as Attorney General I think, and from a news article I read today it seems like they're actually going to get an R18+ rating out in the next year or so? So that's progress :)

HIHI :) I have been super busy :S My brother is getting married tomorrow!

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manic intent

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from: manic_intent
date: Dec. 9th, 2010 07:32 am (UTC)
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ah well... :/ I didn't get to go either, I actually finished work sometime after the talk had also finished. Sad.

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Professional Scatterbrain

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from: pr_scatterbrain
date: Dec. 9th, 2010 07:39 am (UTC)
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I find the issue very difficult. My opinion towards sexual assault is the same as yours and manic_intent. I feel so much for the two women involved in the case (it's one thing for the case to be dragged through the courts; it's another for it to be fodder for the international media community). Yet I also feel that Assange's work is incredibly important and it isn’t a stretch to see this case as one that is, perhaps, partly politically motivated. I believe in freedom of information. Some of the documents released are embarrassing. Others mean little. But it's important that they all see the light of day. Government and politics - everything, in my mind - should be open and transparent. If they aren't, they are more often than not, corrupt.

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witty, somehow

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from: naanima
date: Dec. 9th, 2010 09:24 pm (UTC)
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I have been thinking about this a bit in the past 24 hours, and my feelings for this whole thing have been clarified a bit more (as opposed to FINGER!MASHING!RAGE!). I'd feel much more comfortable if they trial him in the criminal court for the sexual assault charges because it is the right thing and the lawful thing to do. But at the FIRST sign of POLITICS I will SCREAM OUTRAGE! But as it is I'm quite comfortable for the case to proceed though I'm just terrified that the governments are going to use this opportunity to hang him. I gods, how shitty is it to be used for this. I just yeah - keep the criminal charges separate from wikileaks, keep everything above table and transparent, because if it isn't shit is going to hit teh fan.

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Professional Scatterbrain

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from: pr_scatterbrain
date: Dec. 10th, 2010 06:19 am (UTC)
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I've been thinking about this too overnight and now I'm able to separate the two sides (something I wish I was immediately able to do when the news first broke). Assange's work is important, but at the same time his actions, if true, are unacceptable and criminal. I think the media coverage or maybe the reaction of certain politicians articulated the issue in a such a way where we were asked to choose one side or the other - thus the FINGER!MASHING!RAGE!

Also, I seriously think I'll need to learn more about Swedish law and their court systems. I really don't trust the 24/7 news cycle to do so in a manner that is accurate.

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